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u/southerner32 Aug 03 '24
Black Panther.....and I am a black guy
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u/maverikhunterx Aug 03 '24
This is one of the few movies in recent memory that I’ve felt I’ve had to walk on eggshells around. I’m a white dude that didn’t like this movie, but the racial aspects aren’t what I disliked about it. I just thought it was a lame, cookie cutter, generic Marvel movie with really bad CGI. I mean, c’mon, that ending fight scene looks about as good as a late PS2 game.
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u/lik_a_stik Aug 03 '24
In the same boat in almost every way. Like it wasn’t bad, but my response to those that raved about it was basically, “You’ve seen a Marvel movie before, right? It’s the same as almost all before it.”
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u/SoylentGreen-YumYum Aug 03 '24
The CGI was truly on a level with Attack of the Clones.
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u/beerspharmacist Aug 03 '24
Attack of the Clones at least has the excuse of being released 25 years ago
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u/communityneedle Aug 03 '24
Yes! It was the exact same "good guy fights evil version of himself" superhero origin formula that marvel has foisted upon everyone since the first Iron Man movie.
Extra bonus points awarded for completely wasting Andy Serkis, who managed to put in one of the most memorable performances of the whole MCU with like 2 minutes of screen time
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u/LifetimePresidentJeb Aug 03 '24
Plus the whole CIA saving everyone narrative lol
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u/mcvoid1 Aug 03 '24
The CGI and how it ended are the worst parts. I think they ran out of budget and time.
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u/ofesfipf889534 Aug 03 '24
The accolades for Black Panther was wild. It’s the exact same as all the other Marvel movies but less funny. Super formulaic.
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u/nthensome Aug 03 '24
It won 3 Oscars.
3 Oscars. SERIOUSLY.
It's probably the 8th best Marvel movie and it wins Oscars?
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u/No_Information_6166 Aug 04 '24
It won Oscars for best music (original score), best costume design, and best production design. How good the content of the movie and entertainment value doesn't really affect those three. Plenty of terrible movies have won oscars.
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u/Stormfly Aug 04 '24
Plenty of terrible movies have won oscars.
Suicide Squad (2016) won an Oscar 2 years before a single MCU film did.
I didn't like the film, but the costume design was earned. The others were historical pieces so I like that they actually won for being imaginative.
I have no opinions on the other wins, but it's important to always note that the yearly prizes are only compared to other films that year, so some years are stacked while others have slim pickings so you end up with fairly meh winners.
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u/December_Hemisphere Aug 04 '24
It's probably the 8th best Marvel movie and it wins Oscars?
According to rottentomatoes it is #1. lol
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u/Kavalkasutajanimi Aug 03 '24
"First black superhero movie" like everyone forgot blade and spawn lmao
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u/Professor_Smartax Aug 03 '24
BLADE was great
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u/jemosley1984 Aug 04 '24
That opening scene in the first stands as one of the greatest movie openers of all time to me.
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u/Mission-Argument1679 Aug 03 '24
I hate the fact you have to disclose your race when you say Black Panther is overrated.
Neither Black Panther movies were good. Come at me, MCU fanboys.
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u/TimingEzaBitch Aug 03 '24
2nd one was the cringe one. Shuri is nothing more than an expensive pair of sneakers and cool handshake. Her black panther felt more like a black deadpool than anything.
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u/benkenobi5 Aug 03 '24
The bad guy was incredibly hard to take seriously, with the little flappy heel wings
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u/Useful-Hat9880 Aug 03 '24
I thought Namor was cool as fuck.
Every part of it, the switch over to it being meso American instead of Atlantis to not complete with Auqaman, and the N’amor for No love growing up without love. His headdress, moves, attitude. All of it tbh. His barebones standard costume wasn’t that great as the actor was in good shape but not quite Marvel holy shit shredded shape and so the choice of simply small green shorts seemed like it needing further iterating.
Not debating your opinion. I respect it. Just offering a different one.
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u/parksuds Aug 03 '24
I think all Marvel movies are bad. I don’t understand how so many adults love them. The fact people believed this movie deserved to be nominated for best picture was absolutely hilarious to me.
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u/mrlolloran Aug 03 '24
I like Marvel movies but anybody who thinks any of them really deserve a best picture nomination is a loon
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u/austinoracle Aug 03 '24
Garden State. Please don’t hit me.
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u/Dark_Shroud Aug 03 '24
What's hilarious about Garden State is Zack Braff won a Grammy for the soundtrack, basically making a mix tape.
He said he put it on his mantle. Then his friends in the music industry would come over see it and just get annoyed to pissed off.
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u/RottenOyster Aug 03 '24
This is it for me too. The soundtrack was the most memorable part.
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It was awesome when I was 13 and everything felt so deep. I tried rewatching it a few years ago and uh, yikes.
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u/rob_thomas69 Aug 03 '24
I haven’t watched it since I was a teenager. Which parts made you cringe? I don’t remember it
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u/Predatory_Chicken Aug 03 '24
Lame manic pixie dream girl trope but with an amazing sound track!
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u/cubgerish Aug 03 '24
It's pretty much manic pixie dream girl in its purest form.
They did give her character a little depth here and there, but then it was just, "oh she's not just quirky, she's quirky and saaaad"
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u/QuantumStree Aug 03 '24
I really disliked Barbie... and everyone seems to love it.
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u/Sangi17 Aug 03 '24
That’s fair.
Personally I loved it, but I can tell how the style of humor just isn’t for everyone. Honestly it reminded me a lot of the Lego Movie, which I love but many don’t. It’s very “lol random” humor.
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u/sandwichcandy Aug 03 '24
I liked the movie ok, but it felt self congratulatory like how I felt when I watched don’t look up. Maybe it’s just me with respect to Barbie, but it bugged me a little.
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u/teenyvelociraptor Aug 04 '24
Hated Barbie. Snorefest imo 😴😴😴 and yes I understood the messaging. Nothing groundbreaking
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u/QuantumStree Aug 04 '24
Its an ad. And I did not not have high hopes....I expected it to be a fun toy story type film. Not the pseudo- feminist tripe or turned out to be.
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u/cynicalsaint1 Aug 03 '24
Barbie was good when it wasn't explaining it's thesis directly to the camera and undermining it by treating the corporate patriarchs like big old lovable dorks who definitely just want whats best for everyone.
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u/Crotch_Snorkel Aug 03 '24
I remember when Crash came out everyone assured me it was the best movie ever. I remember being upset there was no real plot and that the main takeaway was "everyone is racist."
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u/CarpKingCole Aug 03 '24
Worst Best Picture winner ever imo.
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u/NostalgiaFiend187 Aug 04 '24
Crash is a weird film. The dialogue is laughably ham- fisted and it does come across as trying too hard. But it does have some very powerful parts and the acting is top- notch. Haven't seen Shakespeare, but I remember Argo being enjoyable, but average at best. And not anywhere near the competition it had that year.
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u/Emotional-Following5 Aug 03 '24
Shakespeare in Love would like a word.
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u/GaygoforFaygo Aug 04 '24
Shakespeare in Love is at least enjoyable.
Crash is tryhard, surface level bullshit
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u/peachgravy Aug 03 '24
Omg I fucking hated that movie. You mean to tell me there’s racism in LA?! However, it did turn me on to Stereophonic’s “Remember Tomorrow,” the song at the end credits.
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u/UnderstandingJaded13 Aug 03 '24
Racism the movie. People realized how shallow it was and haven't stopped the slander.
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u/Expert_Lab_9654 Aug 04 '24
To me, crash is the perfect example of media white people consume to think “ah yes, this is so sad and unfair, thank god I am not one of those racists because those racists wouldn’t be watching this movie.” Not insightful or challenging at all.
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u/fallenarist0crat Aug 03 '24
i’m still bitter that it won best picture over brokeback mountain.
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u/Sendhelp1984 Aug 03 '24
Ha. OP asked a question. Didn’t ask if you are so edgy you don’t care about other people’s opinions.
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u/Dr_McPogi Aug 03 '24
Hey pal. OP asked a question. We don't care if you don't care about people who are edgy or don't care about other people's opinions.
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u/Atlassian-Bebop Aug 03 '24
Buddy. OP asked a question. We don’t care if you don’t care about other people who don’t care about people who are edgy or don’t care about other peoples opinions.
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u/Noble_Shock Aug 03 '24
Bucko, op asked a question. We don’t care if you don’t care about someone not caring about someone else’s opinion about people who are edgy or don’t care about other peoples opinions
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u/InsantyzCrow Aug 03 '24
Bubba, OP asked a question. We don’t care if you don’t care about other people who don’t care about people who are edgy or don’t care about other peoples opinions.
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u/Deckard2022 Aug 03 '24
My guy, OP asked a question. We don’t care if you don’t care about other people who don’t care about people who are edgy or don’t care about other peoples opinions.
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u/ChucklesLeClown Aug 03 '24
Everything Everywhere All at Once. I’ve tried multiple times but I just can’t get into it.
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u/xMediumOk Aug 03 '24
I’m so glad someone said this! I thought I was the only one. I actually quit watching it right before the end because I felt so defeated. Didn’t even want to see the ending :(
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u/Skavis Aug 03 '24
It is mentioned just about every week when this question is asked in some form. But, I agree. It wasnt nearly as good as the media and most seemed to portray. I sum it up as a movie that's a perfect display of being "crazy" but still very "safe". Which is a hard balance act. So it deserves respect for being different and still wildly acceptable.
But, as someone whose seen thousands of movies... It just didn't do a thing for me.
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u/KldsTheseDays Aug 03 '24
Omg I'm upvoting you because you answered the question well, but I greatly disagree and want to be mad about it!
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u/Professor_Harlequin Aug 03 '24
Oppenheimer.
Yes it was fine. Did it deserve THAT much attention???
Also the “bomb exploding” scene made me laugh out loud in the theaters.
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u/aspectralfire Aug 03 '24
This. The entire film is an info dump at breakneck speed.
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u/PineappleProud4771 Aug 04 '24
I always say it’s like watching a Wikipedia article
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u/alecsgz Aug 03 '24
Also the “bomb exploding” scene made me laugh out loud in the theaters.
Nolan has used CGI all his career. Unless he poured gasoline on a bridge in the shape of the bat signal or the Batplane is real and I wasn't aware.
Why this was the thing he decided CGI was not needed is beyond me
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u/Professor_Harlequin Aug 03 '24
Right!? It’s…..a nuke going off. You decide NOW to go practical effects????
Sigh. So upset
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u/Youbettereatthatshit Aug 03 '24
Felt the same. The whole shtick of a nuke is it blows conventional weapons out of the water
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u/burntgrass183 Aug 03 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
I remember hearing a Navy guy's account of bikini atoll of seeing the people in front of him as skeletons while covering his eyes with his hands. The x-ray light coming from the bomb meant he couldn't even "close his eyes" or however the Navy told him to duck his head. That would have been a cool thing to see on film instead of bad slowmo fire
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u/44cody44 Aug 03 '24
Seriously, this is Chris Nolan’s masterpiece!???!??? No fucking way
The prestige, memento, dark knight, all are so much better
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u/MotherofHedgehogs Aug 03 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
Avatar. God what a load of self-righteous crap, and the male lead is such a whiny baby. If I never see his punchable face again it will be too soon.
And I say this as a dedicated environmentalist.
Also, I do not pretend to like it, but when everyone raves about it I just sit there looking like I smelled a fart.
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u/IrishShinja Aug 03 '24
Yeah and they used Papyrus as the font!!!
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u/MotherofHedgehogs Aug 03 '24
That skit was hilarious.
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u/IrishShinja Aug 03 '24
That whole skit and the sequel deserve Emmys. The pacing, the drama, the emotion and the comedy. It's so good. The best thing SNL has produced in 20 years.
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u/TheRetroPizza Aug 03 '24
I KNOW WHAT YOU DID!!!
Also the 2nd skit where he's like "so they fixed it?!" Lol
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u/YouGO_GlennCoCo Aug 03 '24
Couldn’t agree more… the 3D experience in theaters definitely had a few cool moments but the movie itself was an absolute shit version of Fern Gully.
Then they somehow made a worse version of the same movie but dragged it out for 3+ HOURS but the 3D experience was no longer new/novel so the whole experience was worse….. anddd yet.. it’s the highest grossing film ever in history and the first/only film to gross over $2 BILLION.
Go figure.
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u/ABSOLUTE_RADIATOR Aug 03 '24
Absolute coldest take in the thread. I literally never hear anyone talk about Avatar except in terms of how overrated it was.
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u/booklovercomora Aug 03 '24
Joker.
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u/BornSalamander8 Aug 03 '24
Why would I ever watch Joker when I could just watch Taxi Driver?
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u/SparkDBowles Aug 03 '24
Not Taxi Driver. So close, though. The King of Comedy.
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u/bubble12133 Aug 03 '24
I think it takes inspiration from both
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u/froklopi Aug 03 '24
It took so much "inspiration" that they had to bring on Martin Scorsese as an EP to keep from being sued.
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u/junkyard_kid Aug 03 '24
When he went on that talk show and DeNiro was the host, I thought, “oh, come on!”
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u/betteimages Aug 03 '24
King of Comedy beats Joker every time imo
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u/GUYF666 Aug 03 '24
It’s really interesting that most people jump on Joker for ripping off Taxi Driver when the very obvious reference is KoC. I guess it’s not as widely viewed, but my first Joker viewing, I was like, is this just a DC remake of KoC?
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u/oktryagainnow Aug 03 '24
Yeah was a bit surreal to watch KoC after Joker. I really really liked Joker, but it's just not ignorable how much it borrows without really transforming or repurposing it.
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u/Ac1dburn8122 Aug 03 '24
I said this on a Batman sub and got ripped to shreds. But like... It's such a rip off. I'm HONESTLY sad that DeNiro started in it. And I've begun to learn that basically all the Joker fanboys are ....a half step above juggalos.. lol
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u/Fun_Elk_4949 Aug 03 '24
Here I was thinking I was alone. Joker felt like they were trying to make a movie about a mentally ill guy realized half way through it was shit and added a few scenes to put it Gotham and called it "Joker" for a cash grab. The new one is going to be even worse.
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u/super-super-fab Aug 03 '24
Read Letterboxd reviews of Joker, literally the top review is 1 star. You are so far from alone in not liking that movie.
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u/Fun_Elk_4949 Aug 03 '24
This is GREAT NEWS! I've fought tooth an nail about what steaming pile that movie was. Odd part is that I hate Joaquin Phoenix in most movies. But thought he was great in this, it's just a shit movie all around.
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u/Katamari_Demacia Aug 03 '24
Dude it is just sooooooo not what i want in a movie. Let alone a superhero (adjacent) movie. Hated it.
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u/Antilia- Aug 03 '24
I feel like the next one being a musical means it won't take itself seriously, which is good, because that was 90% of the problem.
No, it isn't deep. No, it isn't funny.
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u/chocolateskittlez Aug 04 '24
Exactly how I felt watching it. Just a movie built around a severely mentally challenge life, then someone said let make him Joker and everybody clapped.
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u/mrlolloran Aug 03 '24
I don’t pretend to like Joker and it visibly upsets people sometimes.
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u/Independent_Can_5694 Aug 03 '24
Hard agree. Joker is okay at best. But everyone finds it to be super deep and philosophical. So I just go “oh so good” and hope nobody asks me anything more about it.
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u/BlackBlizzNerd Aug 03 '24
Same. But really because Heath Ledger lives rent free in my head. There’s no part of Heath in his portrayal of the Joker. But with Phoenix, you can watch his interviews and whatnot and.. like yeah, Joker is obviously the actor.
Heath was completely transformative, personally, I feel like the best display of acting ever in terms of having 0 signs of their original self in the character. But again, my own opinion.
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u/LighttBrite Aug 03 '24
The point was to make him more relatable. Heaths joker was already fully “gone”.
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u/Independent_Can_5694 Aug 03 '24
Tbh I did this with the Big Lebowski. And now I like it, but it’s not the greatest movie ever like my bff and sister think it is.
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u/SquareRelationship27 Aug 03 '24
Well that's just...your opinion, man. /s
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u/MaynardSchism Aug 03 '24
What in God's Holy Name are you blathering about!
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u/cosmic-cutie42 Aug 03 '24
Haha I used to feel this way. I'm like, "there doesn't seem to be a plot here? It's just a bunch of stuff that happens to some people." However I have watched it a few times now and I have come to the conclusion that it is like looking at a painting at an art museum, you have to just appreciate the scene. It's like a snapshot or a fragment of time. With that in mind The Big Lebowski is more like a group photo of some characters than a story with a plot that has a point.
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u/writer4u Aug 03 '24
I hated it the first time I watched it. It really did grow on me, though. It helped when I realized that it’s basically a non-movie. It’s like the Cohen brothers wanted to really explore an inverted classic noir detective film. It’s a non-detective being drawn in to not investigate a crime that never happened. Nobody has any redeeming qualities and most of the characters are idiots trying to act like the people they think they need to be.
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u/Certified-Malaka Aug 03 '24
Drive. Turned me into a real human bean though so there's that
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u/uejnja Aug 03 '24
I didn't like it during my first watch, but it massively grew on my during more rewatches
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u/TheRetroPizza Aug 03 '24
The only thing I didn't like the first time I watched it was his long pauses and overly contemplative speaking. But it's not that bad, and I officially love that movie.
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u/FLiP_J_GARiLLA Aug 03 '24
Don't fake it for nobody.
Except the police.
I pretend not to hate them if pulled over.
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u/IamjustaBeet Aug 03 '24
I don't pretend. Why would anyone? Wes Anderson makes movies for people in film school. There, I said it
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u/Violet624 Aug 04 '24
They are too purposely cute and quirky for me. They feel too self conscious for me to suspend disbelief and get into them.
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u/Relentless_Salami Aug 03 '24
The Grand Budapest Hotel is a masterpiece. Regardless of Andersons reputation of over stylized films. This one transcends that. It's just flat out amazing.
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u/StormeeusMaximus Aug 03 '24
Fear and loathing in Las Vegas. I just didn't get it. Maybe you have to be tripping balls like the character.
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u/pmw3505 Aug 03 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
Its really more of a "Do I like Hunter S. Thompson's style of writing and presentation or not?" kinda issue than the drugs and the disjointed narrative for me.
If you like his Gonzo style then chances are you will enjoy it. Stellar cast doesn't help. Nor that it kinda doesnt have a specific genre(s) it falls into.
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u/cynicalsaint1 Aug 03 '24
Fear and Loathing is best understood as an elegy for the 60s and the hippie movement.
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u/Merlinpants Aug 03 '24
2001
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u/Hipster-Librarian Aug 03 '24
I both love 2001 and fully understand this sentiment. I’ve watched it quite a few times and almost always doze off at least once (usually between the council meeting on the moon and them getting to the obelisk) but still enjoy it and consider it a masterpiece.
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u/Felixfelicis_placebo Aug 03 '24
I love 2001. And I love The Blue Danube. But I have often fallen asleep to the space plane docking scene. It's just so peaceful.
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u/Certified-Malaka Aug 03 '24
This was the movie that cured my insomnia
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u/Ok-Acanthaceae-5327 Aug 03 '24
Smoke a bowl and try again
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u/CountWubbula Aug 03 '24
Cannabis! The answer to and cause of most of my problems.
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u/KhelbenB Aug 03 '24
Going in mostly blind and expecting a sci-thriller of astronauts vs AI and not a slow allegory focused on cinematography and voiceless symbolical art pieces made it hard for me to enjoy.
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u/Wazula23 Aug 03 '24
To defend it for one small second, isn't it kind of cool that a film from 1969 or whatever had such a prescient view of intelligent computers and the impacts of handing our lives to them? The fact that it's still regularly cited in that discussion is kind of amazing, even if it is slow and boring.
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u/Matt8992 Aug 03 '24
I've never cared for:
- Pirates of carribean movies.
- Fast and furious movies.
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u/tiny_anime_titties Aug 03 '24
The first pirates movie is really fun and entertaining, don't really get people saying it deserved a oscar
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u/TakeTheCanolies Aug 03 '24
Once upon a time in America. I really wanted to like this film, and felt the realism of the time period, but the coldness of the characters and just brutal acts committed makes this a tough movie for me to enjoy
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u/notmyrealnameanon Aug 03 '24
Great performances, depth, and cinematography. But it did not deserve a 4 hour+ runtime. Almost no film does. Sergio Leone was one of those directors who actually got worse the bigger his budget was.
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u/midnightfury4584 Aug 03 '24
Yeah, I’m not trying to go through the 15 minutes of a phone ringing anytime soon.
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u/whaticypudding Aug 03 '24
Life is too short to love a movie due to peer pressure
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u/IWasBornAGamblinMan Aug 03 '24
I didn’t care for The Godfather
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u/Due_Personality6726 Aug 03 '24
It insists upon itself
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u/Brick-Mysterious Aug 03 '24
How can you say that? It's, like, the perfect movie.
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u/marleyman14 Aug 03 '24
I know I’m not allowed to say this, but it was kind of boring.
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u/WineOhCanada Aug 03 '24
It's illegal but I'm ready for jail. It's boring af why'd it need to be so long?
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u/Gemtree710 Aug 03 '24
Black Panther
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u/ThreeOh4 Aug 03 '24
It sucks in general and then it's the biggest joke on black people in my opinion. Marvel said sure we will give you an all black superhero movie, but it's going to be black on black crime and yall will cheer for it and give us money for it
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I had one of those Popeye's apple pies last night, and his reaction is pretty much spot on. It should not have been that fucking good. The cinnamon and sugar ratio has been perfected. 10/10.
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u/TacoBellWerewolf Aug 03 '24
Synecdoche, NY
I don’t pretend to like it. It does feel like a well made movie, but I have a tough time understanding it.
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u/Mountain-Ordinary896 Aug 03 '24
I’m gonna be honest. A lot of the films that people call masterpieces I just don’t see the appeal. Like theyre good films but a lot of them are very overrated
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u/Brave-Panic7934 Aug 03 '24
Avengers Endgame.
But I always get downvoted into oblivion for hating on MCU 😂
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u/Gadmanultimate Aug 03 '24
Shrek 2,it's good but it's not the cinematic masterpiece people claim it to be
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u/NCC_1701E Aug 03 '24
2001 Space Oddysey. I feel ashamed, since I am huge fan of scifi and that movie is considered to be one of the biggest scifi classics, but I just couldn't sit through it. It was like watching paint dry. And I tried to watch it two times. Almost fell asleep after the first half hour.
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u/Mr_A14 Aug 03 '24
I think that 2001 is one of the most "realistic" space travel movies. There's no quick cuts, flashy camera work, or big scores like you would see in most scifi, but it emphasizes the emptiness and quietness of space. They are entirely alone in a black void of nothingness, and Kubrick wants you to be aware of that at all times.
And when he isn't showing off that void, he is trying to beautify it by playing classical music and having long, looming, and grand shots.
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u/_deathgrapes_ Aug 03 '24
I don't pretend to like it, but I really don't see what's so good about donnie darko.
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u/Dijon92 Aug 03 '24
Matt Reeves The Batman. It was just OK.
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u/AvatarAda Aug 03 '24
The movie should have ended after catching riddler and further develop it in the next installment. Imo.
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u/niffum_duts Aug 03 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
I thought the whole plot was leading to something else and was disappointed when it didn’t.
I thought The Riddler was going to be so incredibly clever that he was intentionally going sow the seeds of distrust between Batman and the police, which would lead to Batman being blamed for the crimes that Riddler commits. Then he has to find The Riddler, prove his innocence, and fight his way through the police.
The Riddler being a 4Chan troll was cool on an, “Being aware of today’s political climate” point of view. But when your protagonist is Batman I think the villain needs to be far more clever or chaotic.
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u/DeezThoughts Aug 03 '24
Citizen Kane.
Do I think it's a good movie? Yes. Do I think it's a great movie? Yes. A masterpiece and the seemingly permanent en vogue choice to deem as the greatest movie of all time? Fuuuuuuuccck no!
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u/OldNavyBlue Aug 04 '24
I believe this would be like calling the first airplane out because we have massive jumbo jets now. Citizen Kane has contributed so much to cinematography, storytelling, and editing techniques that you would have to admit it is a masterpiece.
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u/Glenncoco23 Aug 03 '24
Hereditary, I like A24 and liked the VVitch, but I can not get into it
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u/lfenske Aug 03 '24
It insists upon itself