Harris should just show his old Tweets where he says FoxNews is trash when he is mad at them…Also why would I debate on a network that already stated it is not in the news business but in the entertainment business…
They’re too smart now for that noise, I hope. It’s very much a ‘wrestling a pig’ situation. The right benefits from the chaos of inconsistency and breakdown of truth. We need to be past pointing out their contradictions. They literally don’t care. It’s much more effective to refuse to engage with their framing than to adopt it to try to show why it’s silly.
Yup. They set it a week ahead of the actual planned debate, so Trump can get a nice photo op standing next to an empty podium citing a chicken Harris while he rants uninterrupted in a stadium at Fox news.
This is why I'm convinced they already have the plans to cheat. Some legal trickery, some whiny crap about ballots or deadlines or republican governors fucking around with rules at the last minute. They don't care about a debate or getting votes from blacks after NABJ or women after their declaration that "rape victims should ALL be forced to carry babies".
Create a mess, insert doubt for the moron cult to whine about, then they toss the whole mess to the Supreme Court they installed and openly bribed.
That’s why we gotta have a landslide win. They’ve openly replaced multiple election officials in any state they have the ability to, with deniers and sycophants.
It’s going to be a mess but we have the vote power to overcome it. As long as we vote.
As a non america, how is this legal? And why do you have to register to vote? And why do you have to state a party when registering? And can you only vote for the party you registered for?
It's legal because they control the legislature and the state courts and when it gets to the SCOTUS, you have pieces of shit like John Roberts saying crap like that isn't illegal as long as it's done for partisan purposes and not based on race.
Alito and Thomas get the brunt of peoples hate with good reason but Roberts is every bit as nasty as them.
And can you only vote for the party you registered for?
Party registration only matters for Primaries. Some states have closed primaries where only people registered to a party can vote in that parties primary. Everyone can vote in the actual general election regardless of party affiliation.
You don't have to state a party. Many people register as independent but then you're potentially excluded from the primaries.
You have to register to vote because automatic registration like in other countries doesn't exist. It doesn't exist mostly because the GOP doesn't want more people voting. It's why they also oppose making it a federal holiday.
Same thing they always do, they try and purge voters from the system at the most least opportune time to make it nigh impossible to get reregistered in time by the point they figure out they were removed. This is why it is very important right now to constantly check your registration online to make sure you are still in the system because they will not let you know on purpose.
Are people finding out that they have been removed en masse? I’d like to read the article on this so I can show to some people I know still claiming it will be the left that interferes in the election
The people running elections in some swing states like Arizona also openly said that it was stolen in 2020. They're absolutely going to try and steal it.
Here's your legal trickery and I absolutely wouldn't put it past them. This in my opinion would be their chance to start civil war if they really want it.
If they go this route, not much, it's all apparently legal recourse.
Like it says in the article, just try and make this well known, get it out there so if enough people hear about it beforehand it might make them reconsider, not unlike the project 2025 that has become wildly unpopular.
That and make sure you vote and get other people to vote.
Maybe the UN should send people to make sure the election happens correctly. They've done it for other nations, although not such large ones, it would be a challenge getting observers and blue helmeted soldiers at poll stations and such across the USA.
I really think that especially the weird civil war comments coming from trumps side, it might be good to have some observers, this is all looking like a shit show
I hesitate to speculate, but Trump’s recent comments about not having to vote after 2024 were pretty alarming, even for him. Still more alarming is the fact that’s also been saying it’s not so important to vote in 2024 itself either.
Let’s be honest, Trump is barely campaigning this time around. And picking someone like Vance wasn’t meant to reassure any hesitant sectors of the RNC coalition.
At this point I have little doubt the Trump campaign plans to use legal/electoral chaos and probably far-right violence to retake power.
As someone else said, this does mean the Dems need to win decisively in November. But I think what it also means is we need to have a plan for when this gets messy. By that I don’t just mean hiring lawyers to strategize a response to RNC nonsense.
I mean in the event that a Harris victory is clear but contested, we might need something on the level of mass civil disobedience to make it clear we will not tolerate a coup.
It's so much worse that just the fake ads. In some states where the trump campaign wants more registration, the links do actually take the user to their state's registration page.
But for users in other states, the links go to a vague page that Elon uses for data scraping. No registration is ever done off that page, but the page takes the data and gives a thank you message, fooling users into thinking they did it correctly. It is supported and directly coordinated with the trump campaign.
Just as filthy as Elons fake video using a AI faked version of Kamala's voice. NBC confirmed the fake Kamala video was seen 150 million times thanks to Elon personally pushing it.
Yea they do. Trump has friendly election officials in states all over, especially all battleground states. If they refuse to certify because they believe there was fraud, even just an official in one county, the states numbers can’t be completely tallied. We should be very worried about this and other tricks they have up their sleveve, because it’s going to happen. I’m not saying Kamala is a lock to legitimately win, but when she does, things will get even messier than last time.
They learned from their last attack on our democracy and have adapted 😰
Lots of election deniers are in positions to certify results. Refuse to certify in any swing states that it looks like Harris is winning and try to deny her an electoral college victory. Push it to the house and have a republican majority give it to him.
You don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict that there will be Republican-controlled counties in swing states that will refuse to certify their results if Harris wins the state.
Their goal is to infiltrate election officials with loyalists that will sabotage and create chaos. Even if they arent outright cheating the goal is to create enough confusion to discredit the elections. Unfortunately for them Biden is in office so if thr SCOTUS steps in to try and throw the election to Trump the executive branch can re-exert control.
For swing states there needs to be an army of volunteers that arent dead set on destroying democracy.
The silver lining though is that most of their loyalists are recruited under the guise of stopping democrats from stealing the elections and once on the inside and they see nothing shady is going on most should back down. There was a self-reported trump fan on his recent jury that when presented with actual facts not filtered through the conservative media bubble he delivered a guilty verdicf.
Ultimately most republicans good decent people whipped into a frenzy of anger and fear thanks to constant bombardment of lies by Fox news etc.
Yup! Finally, not just a “rock the vote” post. It’s been pretty obvious that the Supreme Court is working for Trump.
They literally made the President of America a king just to protect Trump from prosecution. While Biden was the actual president. The guy they keep asserting is in charge of “the Biden crime family”.
I’m really hoping for the Democrats to go extreme to fix the Supreme Court. I WANT the constitutional crisis. It’s better we confront this now then to wait for those traitors in robes to steal our democracy.
It is just the same "Yellow Journalism" shit we learned about in history class in high school. When news turns into editorialized hack pieces with a clear agenda this is what you get.
For example, the entire Q movement got taken over and pushed into the mainstream right the same month trump was sued by Katie Johnson for raping her when she was a child. Before his cult threatens her into silence.
The anti-pedophile movement exists to protect a pedophile.
Then Harris and her campaign need to respond immediately and not take the high road. “We already had a debate scheduled and you’ve backed out like a coward. No other debate has been agreed upon. Eat shit and die asshole”
Harris is a former prosecutor, not a politician for politics alone. That's a different mindset. Plus, dealing with pedophiles is personal to her when, as a kid, her best friend was sexually molested, and everyone blamed the girl, and nothing happened to the pedophile. That's why she became an attorney and prosecutor. She is seasoned in pedo/felon/sex trafficker/ rapist/corrupt/ scammer BS. She isn't Biden.
He only agreed to a Fox News Debate. And his terms included having a FULL ARENA with a “Live audience”……and using moderators Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum.
Trump’s new terms also specify that no fact checking is allowed and his team said the moderators are not allowed to challenge any inaccuracies during the debate.
That is not “agreeing to a debate”, that is just a cowards way of weaseling out and setting his own stage. Trump will just turn that into a MAGA Rally with his Cult screaming. What a Fucking coward.
And the media spinning this in Trumps favor are just as bad.
The no-fact-checking thing should be throwing up some huge red flags. The fact humanity has gotten to the point where it doesn't even raise an eyebrow for so many is incredibly disturbing.
I can't believe it needs to keep being said in 2024, but if you’re constantly afraid of people countering your arguments with the truth, you don't deserve to be in power
"I would like to thank Donald Trump, who recently agreed to donate the entire state of Texas to Mexico, for joining me to this fact checking free debate tonight!"
No fact checking / pointing out inaccuracies will lead to Kamala’s mic being turned off whenever she starts making a solid point and the moderators showing clear bias to a crowd of the cult ( likely paid for by the campaign and told not to let Kamala speak ) she has every right not to attend
Trump has told so many lies, I don't think he can keep them straight anymore. I don't think he is capable of telling the truth. He can't do it. It was Trump who delayed the start of the recent NABJ interview because he refused to go on when he heard they were fact checking. Then the first thing he did on stage was to loudly and rudely blame the moderator for the delay saying that it was her fault and a technical problem WHICH WAS A LIE. Trump is in "Fascist Dictator" mode for this next debate. He refuses to be fact checked or questioned by anyone. Not even worth watching if it's just going to be DonOLD spewing the same old hate, lies and insults.
This is it exactly. I remember when I was young (which was in the 80s) my parents saying that though they were Democrats, they at least respected their friends who were Republicans and they just accepted their differences. Now? The other side is so stupid and weird that it makes US seem crazy when we tell them how stupid and weird they are.
NYT and others have been so effectively influenced by the 'Liberal Media' argument they've been making since Limbaugh started, that they contort themselves into being biased towards the right, at times.
Don't give them credit. This isn't some misguided attempt to appear "fair". They've bought in 100% on whatever gets billionaire owners more power, less regulation, and no taxes. This isn't about reacting to the "liberal media" narrative, it's a blatant and complete sell out of any journalistic values in the interests of the super rich and fuck everyone else.
Also the NYT during a Trump presidency never has to try to make news - it's made for them.
A trump presidency means 4 years of clicks, higher ad revenue, and stories that write themselves for the news media. Every typical liberal-ish (i.e fact-ish based) from NYT to NPR has moved so far to the right because they want a Trump presidency.
The NYT hasn't remotely been 'liberal' politically for a long, long time, and it's because of their own biases and political leanings rather than reacting to Limbaugh and others. There was no bigger cheerleader for the Iraq invasion than the NYT. They, in fact, LIED very wilfully to get us involved.
No one attacked Hillary Clinton more than the NYT, even running very misleading and specious articles right until election day. They might have attacked her more than Trump's own team did.
Going back further, they lied about the Holodomor. They made up the reaction to the famous Kitty Genovese incident whole cloth. Among almost endless other examples.
It also needs to be noted he made an agreement with Fox News that there would be absolutely no fact checking at all. Harris needs to be shouting this fact from the fucking rooftops. Don't let that weasel do what he did at the CNN debate.
The NYT held on to the Abu Ghraib torture story for a year because they didn't want information about the misconduct of the Iraq War to affect the 2004 election.
They've not been "inching" towards anything. They proved decades ago that they are pro-oligrachy by helping W lie us into a war that killed millions of innocent civilians.
Been noticing this the last couple of years. Their use of clickbait language in headlines such as recent use of “bizarre” (about a group of Harris supporters who are objectively not bizarre). This is only done in clickbait. As a subscriber, I’m disappointed they are contributing to the shitification of journalism.
I dumped my subscription for the second time. I'm not paying $17/month for some out-of-touch op-ed, a bunch of 'suburban mommies try to cook ethnic food' recipes, and their biased headlines (v recognizable for people who have lived elsewhere besides America).
Why is the media engaging and boosting this “spectacle” instead of doing real journalism. Quick call to Harris team would have shown Trump to be a liar
The media wants trump to win because it's 4 years of easy high engagement headlines, basically, they're lazy and they're lighting us on fire to stay warm
It wasn’t factually correct. He didn’t come to an agreement that included Harris. Even if we consider your GENEROUS interpretation, it was still intentionally ambiguous, with the more widely read interpretation being objectively false.
Wonder why they would phrase it in such a way to reinforce the narrative they want? /s
That's the shit I would've gotten a C on as an English student in high school for being intentionally misleading. The staff at the NYT knows better. They need to stand up to their capitalist masters or start their own paper.
It’s really this simple lol. Every big company is, at worst, fine with another Trump presidency. Even liberal/left leaning news like MSNBC would love to have something to scream about for 24 hours a day
Nothing. The NYT has always been a bulwark for capital, and by extension a fascist lever. Check out their editorial section around the rise of the Nazis. Some craaaaazy stuff in there.
She should counter by offering a Black Lives Matters venue, nude debating, fact-checking of each answer before the next question, followed by a physical exam conducted by a doctor of Harris' choosing...and a full release of all tax returns for the past 20 years. That oughta do it.
The loss of the fairness doctrine is not the main reason why the media is so abhorrent now. The hyper consolidation of the media industry by monied interests who want to turn it into propaganda machines. That is the main issue.
yep, i cancelled my NYTIMES subscription when they had the guy write an op ed, that he didn't vote, and neither should you(he actually did vote, it was voter suppression). and then they kept having articles about biden being old, and articles trying to normalize trump. insane shit. trump is not normal, weird ass, felon ass, golf all day, orange man.
They had to change the title to 'why i don't vote' after complaints. but again, he did vote, these pieces of shit.
Dude looks like the kind of guy I'd change seats for if he sat next to me on public transit. i.e. the kind of guy drinking a tallboy at the back of the bus while leering at teenagers.
"Trump made an agreement with the Olympic committee to enter a swimming race against Katie Ledecky, terms apply. Katie must wear a full suit of armor, and Trump gets to ride a jet ski. 'Very fair' said the former president"
Unfortunately the only people still reading that trash are the ones who either buy into the shit they peddle wholesale or the people that want to have a good laugh at the inane bullshit.
Actual actual headline: Trump proposes Fox News debate instead of ABC
There is no agreement here. Agree is completely the wrong word to use in this context as it implies a meeting of the minds and mutual understanding. There isn't any.
The fact that the NYT completely misused this word suggests they are completely ignorant of the English language or that they are trying to reframe reality to advance an agenda, which, at best, is dishonest
Trump is better for headlines. I’m not buying that he is better for business with little economic policy: tariffs over tax, manipulating interest rates and flooding oil production. With 100% border control and deporting millions of aliens he would actually harm the economy as Florida FAFO.
Don't forget those sweet, sweet tax cuts. CEOs that were hard on the anti-Trump train in 2020 suddenly flipped to "maybe Trump won't be so bad" once he promised deeper tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.
Exactly, CEOs can make up for shitty economic policy by just laying people off and screwing their own workforce. They like the bigger payouts and are willing to exploit others to get it.
Her response should be "No debate has been pitched to me or any member of my team. It's so weird that Trump just made the whole thing up out of thin air. Just weird that he does that so often." Then move on with her day and not mention it again.
It’s entirely possible that the NYT uses A/B testing of different headlines and then serves the one that gets the most clicks. Integrity / objectivity gives way to traffic
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u/Tiny-Buy220 Aug 03 '24
Harris should just show his old Tweets where he says FoxNews is trash when he is mad at them…Also why would I debate on a network that already stated it is not in the news business but in the entertainment business…