r/PEDs Apr 06 '18

/r/PEDs FAQ & Rules - Please Read First Before Posting NSFW

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Rules

  1. Do not mention or discuss sources. First offence is a 3 day ban. Second offence is permanent
  2. Please make sure your topic is not already covered within this FAQ, or otherwise adds something new, takes a different approach.
  3. Use generic names when discussing substances (I.e. Test e, LGD, GHRP etc.). This can include brand names of legal products to avoid shilling
  4. Do not provide instruction about how to purchase illegal substances
  5. You must be 18 years of age or older to view this subreddit

 

FAQ

What are PEDs?

Performance-enhancing drugs are substances that are used to improve any form of activity performance in humans. Athletic performance-enhancing substances are sometimes referred to as ergogenic aids. Cognitive performance-enhancing drugs, commonly called nootropics, used by students to improve academic performance.

For the purposes of r/PEDs and r/PEDsR we are most interesting in athletic enhancement. For cognitive enhancement we recommend r/nootropics.

Within athletic enhancement, we commonly look at steroids, selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) and aromatase inhibitors (AIs), and selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs).

 

Where can I buy...

No

 

How can I buy...

Nope to that too

 

Should I do PEDs?

PEDs in sports are illegal. AAS are illegal in general, and SARMs are not legal for human consumption outside of research though I don't think you're likely to go to jail over them. PEDs carry risk, both legal and to your health. A profile of a PED user should be that you're willing to carry these risks, have stopped growing (25+) and have been working out consistently for a couple of years already. Beyond that it's up to you.

 

Should I do PEDs as a woman?

As above, but also consider the virilization of PEDs. There are some PEDs where the risk of virilization is considered to be too high and are not suitable for women. That said, both data on virilization is not easy to come by to categorically determine the safety of a PED for women, and your own reaction to PEDs may be different to others. There is a list of PEDs here which subjectively lists which compounds are 'safe' for women, and which are not: https://www.pedsr.com/peds-db

u/MezDez does a write up on the cause of virilization and how to mitigate sides: https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/83s7cs/females_and_peds_what_is_the_actual_cause_of/.

I would like to encourage women to post their experiences and their questions. This is a field we could use a lot more anecdotal evidence in.

 

I am <25, and considering a cycle. Many people seem to advise against it. Why?

Testosterone causes premature closing of growth plates at high doses. But outside of that, there is little data and a lot of speculation on impact of PEDs on immature athletes.

The one thing is that PEDs can be a life altering decision. Be sure this is the life you want. Once you start, you're unlikely to stop.

 

Should I PCT after a SARMs only cycle?

No. Data shows it's not necessary. While it has been a consensus to use PCT for SARMs in the past, a more rigorous approach is showing that it is not necessary on standard SARM only cycles.

SARMs do not (significantly) reduce luteinizing hormone (LH), and instead lower testosterone through a separate mechanism, probably local to the testes. SERMs increase testosterone by increasing LH, however if your LH is still within range, a SERM is not going to beneficial as a PCT. However, please do keep a SERM on hand in case of gyno etc.

 

Should I PCT after using AAS?

Yes

 

GUYS I HAVE BEEN ON CYCLE FOR A WEEK I THINK I HAVE GYNO. PLS HELP

Post pics so those running tren can appreciate your new ladyboy breasts.

Kiddingbutnotreally

If you're on AAS, you should be running an AI to reduce aromatization. If you're on SARMs only, an AI is not necessary, and gyno is fortunately rare, and would be caused by test falling while estrogen stays the same. We cover the causes here

It's easy to think that every small itch or minor change is negative, both regarding gyno and just in general. In reality, you're just a little more anxious about... well, everything, and you're fine.

If it is truly gyno, use a SERM for estrogen caused gyno, or cabergoline / P5P (Vitamin B6) for prolactin caused gyno.

 

Should I stack SARMs in my first cycle?

A first time cycle should keep it simple. You don't know how your body will react to it. There are common and uncommon side effects with PEDs, and that includes SARM only cycles. By combining compounds, you're straying away from the scientific method, where you test a single variable. For example, you run a cycle of both LGD4033 and MK677. You feel lethargic, have cramps, and flu like symptoms. Which compound caused it? You don't really know. Start with a single compound, add in others later.

Related: Stacking SARMs

 

What would an example of a PCT cycle look like?

See here. But TL:DR Nolva 20/10, Clomid 25/12.5, Torem 60/30. A more conventional PCT length would be across 4 weeks instead of 2, and be Nolva 20/20/10/10, Clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5, Torem 60/60/30/30.

 

Should I use a test booster?

There is money to be made in the supplement industry and many false promises. Unless you can easily identify the products in a test booster as being proven to be effective avoid these products. Generally speaking, these products have a high price tag and are not very (if at all) effective/efficient.

 

What OTC supplements should I buy?

Like it says above, a lot of money and false promises in the supp industry. You can buy any supplement you like, just keep in mind that there is no supplement more effective than pharma grade drugs.

You may wish to consider B6 for prolactin control when on tren

 

What is the right dose for LGD4033/VK5211?

No more than 10mg, and probably closer to 5mg

 

My SARMs taste like shit.

Normal, suspension tastes awful. You can take it as a powder if you so choose to do so, but will require a milligram scale. It's a PITA to measure out tiny amounts every day, and such scales are accurate to 3mg or greater. If you're running 5mg of LGD, being 3mg either way is kind of a big deal - hence why people suspend. More on how to suspend here.

 

I think I am suppressed. Help?

Please get a blood test covering both free & total T, FSH and LH either from your doctor or a private lab. In the US, this you can get a Hormone Panel with F&T Testosterone LC/MS-MS from privatemdlabs.com, for a $105; https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=2418&category=14&search=#2418.

If your test is low, but your LH is within range your test will return to normal without use of a SERM. If your LH is low, follow a 4 week protocol with either Nolva or Clomid. For dealing with HPTA shutdown, refer to https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/80mf58/hpta_shutdown_fact_or_fiction/

My balls seem smaller?

Yes, this is the effect of shutdown or suppression (depending on the compound). Your testicles have reduced their ability to produce testosterone by themselves as your body benefits from an exogenous androgen/compound in your body at work. Upon discontinuing your cycle, they will return to normal shortly after a non-AAS cycle, or after PCT on an AAS cycle.

 

What else should I consider?

Blood tests provide data that is actionable. It's best practice to get a blood test immediately prior to starting a cycle that measures your baseline test. Blood tests will provide a baseline that future data can be compared against to measure change, and are often the best indicator of health. The blood test linked to above is recommended for baseline test.

If the cost of a blood test (~$100) is too much for you to do twice in an 8-12 week period, it's OK to postpone your cycle - this is a marathon, not a sprint. Don't cheap out on monitoring your health. At the end of your cycle, we ask that folks willingly share their blood results - it helps everyone. You can post your results here too, which /u/comicsansisunderused is collecting to do a meta analysis: https://goo.gl/forms/boN2W9LSxRPlJBfU2

Keep an eye on your blood pressure during cycle.

 

GUYS, MY BP IS 190/110, PLS HELP

Most PEDs will cause blood pressure to rise, if for no other reason than increases in body weight tend to do that.

List of compounds to help keep blood pressure in check:

  1. Eat yo' bananas. Potassium reverses increases in renin seen due to high sodium diets or diets lacking potassium. AAS and high carb diets causes significant sodium retention. Potassium is required to deliver water into cells (along with nutrients), but sodium pulls water out.
  2. Magnesium
  3. Vitamin K2 (mk7)
  4. Nebivolol
  5. Telmisartan

 

How much protein do I need on cycle?

'Need' is established at 0.82g/lb. However, that may not be optimal depending on your goals. Suffice to say, there is no upper limit. Want to eat 2g/lb of protein? Go for it.

 

What is the minimum cost of a PED cycle?

Roughly, $300 all in between blood tests (2 x $100), SARM ($50), Nolvadex ($30). Note that the nolva is not strictly necessary, but is a 'just in case' you receive pro-hormone, dbol, etc.

 

Where can I find doses for each compound, detection times, list of potential side effects?

https://www.pedsr.com/peds-db

 

What is more effective, liquid SARMs or powder SARMs?

It's not really going to matter. Some compounds have poor bioavailability, but for the more common PEDs such as LGD4033, Ostarine etc. we suspend for convenience and accuracy of measurements

 

I have a powder. How can I turn it into a liquid?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/8tey5b/solubility_guide/

I have run a cycle. Now what?

Keep your gains, as best you can: https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/9k8vr3/post_cycle_strength_preservation/

 

This FAQ will be updated as common topics change and the data we have available to us improves. Version control: last update October 5th, 2019


r/PEDs 4d ago

[Weekly] Quick Question Thread NSFW

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Please use this thread to discuss whatever questions you may have that do not deserve their own post.


r/PEDs 3h ago

Guidelines for optimizing growth hormone replacement therapy in adults. NSFW

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I see a lot of wild ideas out there for using hgh. For those using it for anti aging and replacement dosages to maintain high 'normal' levels it's quite simple. If you were to go to a doctor with lower than adequate levels this is what they would do, or what they should do.

To minimize the rate of side-effects, a retrospective analysis of 28 studies of GH replacement therapy in adults indicates that the maintenance dose should usually not exceed 1.0 IU/m2/day (about 1.5-2.0 IU/day) in GHD patients 40-60 years old, or 1.5 IU/m2/day (about 2.5-3.0 IU/day) in GHD patients 20-40 years old. GHD women may tolerate, and in fact may need, higher replacement doses, though this issue requires further investigation. GH treatment should be started at a low dose, i.e. about 1.0 IU/day, and increased gradually, by about 0.5 IU per month, until the target dose is reached. In the absence of side-effects, the GH dose may be either too low, adequate, or too high. Measurement of GH-dependent serum markers provides the most promising approach to detect both GH depletion and excess, with serum IGF-I concentration the current method of choice. Clinical awareness of symptoms of GH excess remains important, however, particularly in patients with IGF-I levels in the high normal range


r/PEDs 1h ago

Caber dosage on cycle NSFW

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Currently 3 weeks into cycle(400mg Test/200NPP weekly, injecting EOD) just got bloods back and my prolactin is 20, which is 4pts over reference range. I have caber on hand but i’ve heard mixed opinions on dosage and frequency. Any opinions or advice?


r/PEDs 9h ago

Can I use Masteron to stop gyno growth? NSFW

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I used tamoxifen before to reduce my gyno and it was basically non existent but I stopped taking it and after a month its back.

Im thinking of taking 40mg of tamoxifen for like 2 weeks while adding 150mg of mast e to my “cruise” of 200mg test u so by the time I shrunk my gyno the mast does its thing and hopefully stops the comeback


r/PEDs 18h ago

Best cycle if I wanna keep my hair lol NSFW

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So basically I stick to test and deca I know most will say let it go ( definitely starting to thin out)

But I'm not ready so any other suggestions on a different cycle that wont nuke my hair lol


r/PEDs 20h ago

Anything to aid with digestion? NSFW

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I've noticed the past while, especially when I'm bulking. That I may need to eat a decent sized meal around 7-8pm to hit the rest of my macros for the day.

I've noticed when I do this, the food will sit in my stomach for HOURS. Which will increase my heart rate and my blood pressure, which makes sleeping impossible until after 1am sometimes. Meaning I'm not recovering properly, and end up being tired at work.

Apart from the obvious of trying to cram the food in earlier, are there any other supplements or hacks people have found to digest the food quicker?


r/PEDs 22h ago

27M | Seeking Advice on HGH Side Effects & Future Use NSFW

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27M | Seeking Advice on HGH Side Effects & Future Use

Hey guys, I could use some advice. I ran HGH for 9 weeks, starting at 4 IU daily. Everything seemed fine at first, but after a few weeks, my sleep took a serious dive—I was waking up multiple times a night and could only manage about 5-6 hours of broken sleep. My RHR also shot up, and my carpal tunnel symptoms got worse. To top it off, I started experiencing numbness in my feet and lower back pain.

I was running 4 IU pre-bed for 6 weeks when these symptoms showed up, so I dropped the dose to 2 IU, but nothing improved. Eventually, I stopped the HGH entirely a week ago, and my sleep has been amazing since—9 hours straight without interruptions. The carpal tunnel is almost gone. However my RHR is still elevated 80-90BPM probably due to TEST and EQ ( should I add Telmisartan to fix this?)

To give more context, I also started a blast (AAS) 6 weeks ago, which may have contributed to water retention and some of these issues.

Now, I’ve got a 400 IU kit of HGH stocked up, but I’m hesitant to run it again. I was hoping to leverage the synergistic effects with AAS, as well as the recovery and fat mobilization during my bulk. But, given my side effects, I’m not sure if HGH is worth the trouble for me. Should I try running HGH in morning before my fasted cardio?

What do you guys think? Should I try again with a different protocol or lower dose? Or is HGH just not for me? I'd hate to waste the kit, but I also don’t want to suffer the same side effects. Any recommendations or experiences would be super helpful!


r/PEDs 1d ago

What's your max test and don't need an ai? NSFW

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As posted I know guys on trt that take an ai on 150mg a week and feel like shit just crashing there estrogen. Im 250mg a week pin daily and my estrogen stays perfect.


r/PEDs 22h ago

Enclomophine NSFW

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Tell me everything u know about Enclomophine🙏🏽 really considering taking it. Low dosage. Benefits/side effects.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Injectable SARMs — why? NSFW

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Posting solely out of curiosity here, as I have no interest in taking SARMs orally or injected. However, I did just recently learn that there are several injectable forms of SARMs like LGD. I’m assuming this increases bioavailability, but why would people inject something like this when real gear is injectable anyway? Anyone who’s ever ran an injectable SARM, I’d love to hear your experience below and what convinced you to try it.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Hematocrit NSFW

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My hematocrit is 55% even after drinking 4 water bottles before the bloods. I’m cruising on 120 test… I eat ground beef every day and add salt to my daily gallon water jug. Could those be the causes? I’m going to remove beef from my diet and stop salting everything then repull in two weeks. Any other tips?


r/PEDs 22h ago

Are my steroids still alright? NSFW

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It may be a stupid question, which may not even fit this sub but... Is my testosterone enanthate still okay? It's a 500mg/10ml vile. It's been opened since July. I've injected around a half and then stored it in my closed for another 2 months. Is it still "fresh"? And will it be okay for another 16 weeks? Thanks for answering


r/PEDs 21h ago

Tbol on Keto NSFW

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Hey yall - Im keto right now because it works extremely well for me, i think theres a genetic component for me specificly but none the less, Im keto right now. Im planning to use Tbol to help w general output for grappling comps but i just realized, any issues w keto n tbol? I know its said carnitine doesnt work well on keto since you need carbs to shuttle the carn - so got me thinking about these interactions also. And yes, i feel the energy hit on keto during my rolls, but i need to make a very low weightclass in 2 months.

Also whats a moderate does for a 155lb guy on TRT 150mgs per week. Ive watched vigorous steves tbol vid but i need to watch it again.

Any other general reco's for tbol in context to grappling and weighloss? I also use semaglutide to help hunger while im cutting.

Thanks!


r/PEDs 1d ago

Favorite compounds to run with EQ? NSFW

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Just wanted to take some inspiration from you people on this matter. I've run Test/EQ/DHB at 500/500/200 and felt pretty fucking sweet while making some nice clean gains (ran 210mg of Winny for 8 weeks at the end as I transitioned to a cut for those last few weeks)


r/PEDs 1d ago

PCT After YK-11 LGD Stack NSFW

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Hello Redditors, greetings from Turkey.

I am an brother of yours. I love working out, and because of both my passion for fitness and my curiosity, I’ve decided to start using SARMs. At the beginning of November, I plan to begin an 8-week cycle with YK-11 and LGD-4033. For my PCT, I’ve decided to take 6.25 mg of enclomiphene daily for 2 weeks starting from the 4th week of the cycle, and then 12.5 mg daily for the following 2 weeks. My question is: do you think this PCT plan is sufficient to manage and improve my natural testosterone levels? Is there anything you would like to add or any advice you can give? Thanks


r/PEDs 1d ago

Drops on pen needle after injection NSFW

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I'm using Pfizer Genotropin 12 Mg HGH pen, I inject it to my belly or any injection site and wait for 7 seconds, when i withdraw it i see drops coming out of needle like 4 drops or more, is it normal or how i can fix this issue


r/PEDs 1d ago

Hows this for my second light cycle? NSFW

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For 1-12 weeks: 350 test 160 primo For 12-22 weeks: 400 test 200 primo

Trying to keep everything light because the last cycle I did was 500mg of testosterone for 16 weeks and if messed my face up with acne, bloating, puffy nips


r/PEDs 1d ago

When people add anavar to the last 6 weeks of their cycle do they also start to cut or continue to bulk for the duration of the cycle? NSFW

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What’s your usual go to when you add anavar to the end of your cycle? Do you drop calories and cut a little or do you just keep bulking with the anavar


r/PEDs 2d ago

PCT Makes me last too long? NSFW

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So I'm taking 12.5mg of Enclomiphene ED. But the past week and half, I've noticed that I can't bust quick/nornally at all. If anything I last way too long during sex. Is this normal? My girl ain't complaining, If anything she likes it even more. But I can literally last like 2hrs without an ejaculation, after a while it just kinda feels like a 'chore' to keep going. I was on a LGD-4033 cycle.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Blood pressure NSFW

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What do some of you guys do for blood pressure meds I’ve been running 80mg telemesartin and it’s treated me well , I’ve started low dose Ment and it’s not cutting it with this compound , I’ve ran ace inhibitors without much luck , thinking maybe beta blockers ?


r/PEDs 1d ago

First Time Experiencing This NSFW

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so I’ve taken Anavar and TRT multiple times in the past. Always monitored my bloods, been doing this for years without issue - low dose, never exceeding 40 mg. Just trying to keep a youthful appearance and some strength. This cycle, however, terrible acid reflux and damn hiccups almost nonstop. Any thoughts/solutions? I really like the routine of old but this is taking all the fun out of it!


r/PEDs 2d ago

Is HGH Receptor Sensitive A Real Thing or Bro Science? NSFW

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Is HGH Receptor Sensitive A Real Thing or Bro Science?

Currently on 4IU/ED, 2 in the AM fasted before workout, 2 at night before bed.

Considering switching to 6IU or 8IU EOD, because of "Receptor Sensitivity" which I've read about on this sub.

Is that real? Or bro science?


r/PEDs 1d ago

Injectable lgd-4033 NSFW

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Cant find this specific info but does inject lgd cause less of z lipids scew? This should be logical as it causes less liver stress?


r/PEDs 1d ago

Early Gyno or infected hair from shaving? NSFW

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Basically just making sure im just paranoid. Recently shaved and didn't have my usual safety razor so I had a shitty disposable. Was awful, unreal razor burn immediately after. Now my left nipple and surrounding area feels completely fine, my right nipple its self has zero sensitivity but to the right of it around the areola is a bit painful and i can feel something there, nothing solid but its like the skin is swollen/irritated. I have zero sensitivity or pain on my actual nipple and anywhere other than the far right side of the areola or whatever it'd be called.

I managed to squeeze liquid out of the right side of a few pores areola but nothing out of my nipple. I have zero sensitivity outside of that small area on the right.

If I pulled my skin taut and tried to feel for gyno, would it be closer to the muscle or further away towards the nipple?

I do get pretty frustratingly painful and regular acne when on cycle, I actually just dropped my dosage to TRT this past two weeks so I feel odd id suddenly get Gyno dropping down but nothing at 750mg. I don't feel any of the sensitivity or pain in the tip of my nipple but to the right of it on the areola is a bit tender and the skin feels a bit irritated and slightly swollen. It honestly doesn't feel all that different than the early stages of whatever pimple or whatnot id usually get. I mean absolutely nothing is up with the nipple its self so I can't imagine Gyno would cause the areola to go crazy on one corner and nothing anywhere else, I can pinch my nipple with zero discomfort but its mild on the far right of the areola.

Still gonna dose Nolva juuuuust in case.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Question about MCT oil for diluting MCT carrier compounds NSFW

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Hello all,

I was told by my UGL that to fix some issues I’m having, I should dilute my compounds with MCT oil.

Can anyone tell me if this MCT oil is okay to mix in order to dilute my MCT oil-based compounds? It’s pharma grade and comes in a vial, but I’m reading a lot about issues people have with mixing MCT oil.

https://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/usp-oils/carrier-oils/mct-medium-chain-triglycerides-oil/mct-oil-60-40-caprylic-c8-capric-c10-pharmaceutical-grade-hexane-free.html


r/PEDs 2d ago

How to dilute high concentration testosterone NSFW

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So this is my first cycle of test. I ordered some test and the distributor was backed up so they offered me a replacement. It’s a test blend that’s 500mg/ml. The pip pain is horrible and almost crippling. I’ve read the high concentration test blends will crystallize in the muscle because the carrier oil absorbs faster.

How can I dilute the testosterone? I’ve already used half the vial and I’m not sure what is left inside. Any help would be appreciated.