r/AnythingGoesNews • u/FreedomPaws • Sep 08 '24
House GOP Is Threatening Government Shutdown to Force Through a Voter ID Measure
https://www.commondreams.org/news/citizenship-voting-bill73
u/Jaguar-Voice-7276 Sep 08 '24
If it is so important they should create national voting IDs along with a plan to get them to every citizen 18+ in the US. And ensure everyone has a valid registration in their state, if they want to vote, as is their inalienable right.
But no; it's another solution for a non-existent problem on the surface, though really a major push at disenfranchisement of people they don't want voting.
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u/Notapplesauce11 Sep 08 '24
I’m with you on that one. Make passports free and easy to get. For citizens only .
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u/Pretend_Performer780 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Well in all fairness I'd deport all illegal immigrants to Gaza.
I'd publicize the hell out of it with PSA on all media outlets.
Just like they self selected to invade, they'd self select to deport themselves elsewhere before ICE did it for them to gaza win/ win/win.
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u/Life-Excitement4928 Sep 09 '24
You’d take illegal, inhumane and wildly expensive action just to let Americans vote easier?
Weird.
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u/NeonRattlerz Sep 09 '24
Every fuckin election these clowns pull this "election integrity" bullshit.
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u/B12Washingbeard Sep 09 '24
And every election it’s Republicans who are actually caught doing voter fraud
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u/processedmeat Sep 09 '24
Maybe we should make laws tougher around election fraud.
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u/grolaw Sep 09 '24
What could we do to dissuade them?
Fine them? Lock them up? Dress them in Clown outfits & put them in chains?
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u/mmoonnchild Sep 09 '24
John Oliver did a really good piece on voter fraud, and how rare it is, precisely because the reward, if one gets away with it, is tallying ONE vote for the candidate of said voter fraudster’s choice, but the consequences are a felony conviction and jail time if caught. All things considered, we are probably good on the laws we have in penalties in place. Maybe they’re just needs to be a special task for us assigned to investigating and enforcing those laws, if there isn’t anyone already.
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u/processedmeat Sep 09 '24
I know it isn't a big issues.
I was more making a joke that since Republicans wants harsher penalties for voter fraud and Republicans are the ones committing voter fraud, we should give them what they want.
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u/mmoonnchild Sep 09 '24
Ah, well in that case, works for me. I love seeing their hypocrisy surface, over and over again.
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u/mmoonnchild Sep 09 '24
This is true, for sure, but there were some Dems who were caught and convicted of ballot harvesting, too. Not sure why that’s illegal, but it is…
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u/B12Washingbeard Sep 09 '24
Show me instances of Democrats committing voter fraud. Ballot harvesting isn’t fraud. It’s getting as many people as possible to cast a ballot, something everyone should want. But Republicans know they cannot win when people turn out.
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u/mmoonnchild Sep 09 '24
Ballot harvesting is still illegal. I’m with you, and I’d love to see that decriminalized. But it’s against the law, and a woman in Arizona was caught harvesting ballots and was a Biden supporter.
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u/B12Washingbeard Sep 10 '24
It’s only illegal in Arizona because Republicans made up a new law in 2016. They’re doing everything they can to suppress people voting. And it’s not like that activity has any fraudulence linked to it.
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Sep 09 '24
yeah that's smart...shutdown the government a month before the people held to the polls to vote...while several of you are on the ballot
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
So you’re not for Election Integrity, and you’re against any measures to ensure it? You’d make a great Dictator!
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u/Classic-Yogurt32 Sep 09 '24
Trump and Republicans know nothing about integrity. Why else would they try to steal an election that Trump admits he lost?
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
Really??? Your comments lacks common sense… So why are the Republicans trying to ensure Integrity, and the Democrats are not wanting to do that? Could it be because then it would be difficult for them to Cheat?
Any there was plenty of evidence in 2020 that should have been investigated, but all of it was denied by the Liberal Courts. There should be nothing wrong with looking into something like this… And if everything looks good, then great! But if things look highly suspicious, it should be delved into further, and those loopholes need to be closed.
So again, what’s wrong with wanting to ensure Election Integrity? You projecting nonsense isn’t a coherent answer
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u/technoferal Sep 09 '24
The only "evidence" uncovered in the feverish attempt to support the lie in court, was that quite a few people fraudulently voted for Trump. It still wasn't even remotely close to a number that could effect the results, but the preponderance was directly contrary to the narrative.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
Well, you certainly don’t have the facts… I could tell you things that happened that I saw, as well as my wife…. The evidence was rampant, along with a 100’s of videos of suspicious behavior, and Ballot stuffing…, but there’s no “proof” because they never allowed it to be investigated! You even had about 1000 people lined up to present their proof to the Court, and the Judge dismissed them all! Yeah, that sound like equal Justice to me…
The Democrats had no problem investigating manufactured Russia Collusion hoax for almost 4 yrs! But Republicans were not allowed to investigate legitimate claims & evidence… The ultimate Double Standard!
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u/Classic-Yogurt32 Sep 09 '24
Nothing you said is true.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
Haha… I’m sure you wish it wasn’t. All is 1000% true. Why did I get 4 Mail-In Ballots to my house? My Wife & I are registered Independents… We didn’t ask for the Ballots, and neither did the 2 others who’s names on the Ballots, I had no idea who they were! I guarantee you some Liberals filled out those Ballots, signed them or not, and sent them in. So when I’m waiting on line to Vote, and 2 people who come out saying, “I don’t know what’s going on, but they said that I already voted… I asked who I voted for, and they said we can’t tell you.” This 100% happened. So it it happened Twice, it happened 100,000 times, with all those mass mail out ballots.
My Wife was in some Nursing Homes, and Democratic Campaign reps were coming in, and trying to get Dementia patients to filled out the ballot, and vote for Biden… THATS’S ILLEGAL!!!
That all happened…
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u/pat19c Sep 09 '24
Bruh, trump lost a ton of cases to this.... I'm highly skeptical that all those cases only had democrat judges. Court is a different animal, look at those twelve people that convicted trump, absolutely they had people on that jury that voted for trump and none, let me repeat that NONE raised any questions, I mean they found him guilty in less than a day LOLOL.
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u/Squeakypeach4 Sep 09 '24
Dude. Stop. None of this is true. You’ve been thoroughly brainwashed. Trump just recently admitted to losing the 2020 election, which means he also inadvertently admitted to all of that voter “fraud” being made up.
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u/Diarygirl Sep 09 '24
Trump lost over 60 court cases where his attorneys admitted they had no evidence.
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u/technoferal Sep 09 '24
Do you ever stop and consider what it says about your viewpoint, or your character for that matter, that you have to lie to support it?
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
No I don’t, since I’m not lying… You’re just misinformed, like most liberals
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u/technoferal Sep 09 '24
You can tell yourself that if you want, but the evidence proves otherwise. There is a reason that in 5 dozen court cases, the Republicans failed to produce anything that supports their assertion. Just because you desperately want it to be true, doesn't make it so.
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u/Classic-Yogurt32 Sep 09 '24
Republicans will never stop trying to steal elections. One would have to be fool to believe anything you’re saying.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
A fool??? Hahaha You’re delusional and ignorant to actually think that it was fair Election! I can tell you just what I heard and saw alone, makes me question the Election!
The Democrats changed the Elections Laws in every jurisdiction they could, because of COVID. They said they had to, because of COVID to keep people safe. That was a 100% LIE… They did it to steal the Election. And they waited to say this a few months before the Election… So they knew what they were going to do MONTHS before they said it, as they were preparing everything and setting things up. Republicans had no chance to even do anything to combat or go along with it. And if it was done JUST BECAUSE OF COVID, why didn’t you revert back to the Election Laws that were in place? What they did made it easier to cheat, which is what they did…, CHEAT! And there is plenty of evidence that makes you question the Election
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u/No-Ice691 Sep 09 '24
Bill barr even told trump after the results were in that there was no widespread evidence of fraud.
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u/CurrentComputer344 Sep 09 '24
The random capitalization and unhinged paragraphs of lies. Yep must be a trump supporter
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
Oh god, you’re clueless. You obviously don’t know the facts… Just like every other Liberal on these subs!
And I’m a supporter of America… What Country do you support?
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u/CurrentComputer344 Sep 09 '24
How much of your insanity and delusions am I supposed to pretend are real?
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
How about all of it! After 8 years, you still haven’t figured things out yet? How much longer do you need to be lied to, before you finally wake up and realize, I’ve been conned & brainwashed?!
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u/33drea33 Sep 09 '24
If people are required to have a government issued ID to vote, they should be issued that ID free of charge when they become eligible to vote at age 18. Otherwise any laws that require an ID to vote specifically disenfranchise citizens who are poor or struggling financially, and citizens who live in rural areas with limited access to transportation. That is why Dems are against blanket voter ID laws - it makes voting less accessible to the people who need governmental representation the most.
Conversely, using your own logic, if Republicans make moves to require an ID in order to vote without this concession of a free government-issued ID, they can only be doing so because they mean to intentionally disenfranchise those voters. This would NOT, therefore, be making our elections more free and fair, or ensuring election integrity, it would be making our elections less accessible to people of a certain class. Certainly you can see why this would be problematic.
Voter ID laws without a standard issue voter ID would also introduce a lot of problems surrounding the fact that most state-issued IDs are driver's licenses - possession of which is considered a privilege by law, not a right. So we will see issues such as: what if my ID is confiscated due to a driving violation and it requires a hefty fine to get it back? What if I have accidentally allowed my license to expire - will it still be accepted at the polls? How much does it cost to update an ID in my state? This then raises questions like: is it valid to disenfranchise someone because of a DUI, because of a neurological condition that makes it hard to keep track of administrative tasks, or because they can't afford an extra $50 in the budget this month? I hope we can agree that the answer to all of the above is no, but these are exactly the types of issues we would encounter.
These considerations could be resolved by the simple solution of a free government issued voter ID, but for some reason the Republicans will not consider this measure. They are ONLY interested in requiring that an ID be shown - IDs which, by the way, are issued by each state - in order to gain access to elections that are likewise administered by each state. Which raises the question: why would the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT be inserting itself into an issue that is in every other capacity being managed at the state level? Where exactly are the cries of "states rights" when considering this issue? Where is the check and balance against runaway Federal power here? I think you'll figure out the answer if you think about it long enough.
So the question then becomes: why are you okay with giving the Federal government more power to influence who gets to hold power in the Federal government? And if we set the precedent that removes this separation of powers, how long do you think it will take the Federal government pass a law saying "state-issued IDs must now have this specific mark on them to be valid for use at the polls, and since Texas ID doesn't have that they don't get to vote this year."
Have I convinced you that the only valid way to have a federally mandated voter ID law is to pair that requirement with issuance of a free government-issued voter ID to all citizens - possession of which would be considered a right and not a privilege, and which could not be used to disenfranchise certain states or sections of the population? Please do let me know.
One last question I would like to pose: why now? Do you think making this massive change, and particularly threatening to hold the government hostage in order to do it, is an appropriate thing to do less than 60 days out from an election? Don't you think the timing of this has the potential to create more chaos around the election than it would resolve? All of the poll workers have already been trained, states are already issuing their ballots, so why now? Why not 3 years ago, when we would have had time to plan for a thoughtful and conflict-free rollout of this new policy and test it on a less consequential midterm election to iron out any issues? And how does the particularly calculated timing of this not meet a threshold of "election interference" or disruption of "election integrity" by House Republicans, in your view?
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u/USSMarauder Sep 09 '24
but all of it was denied by the Liberal Courts.
Led by Trump Appointee, Third Circuit Unanimously Rejects Trump’s Election Gripes in Pennsylvania
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u/Specific-Power-163 Sep 09 '24
You know the judges involved were a mixture of conservative and liberal. Plus there was no evidence other than a bunch of fake bullshit repeated over and over by your russsian funded cohorts.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
I can do nothing more than to laugh at your comment. An OVERWHELMING majority of the Judges were liberal. And there you go with Russia. The liberals go-to playing card, next to racism! Is that all you got? Got any facts to back up your nonsense… Or do you just mimic what you hear on Liberal news?
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u/Squeakypeach4 Sep 09 '24
It was thoroughly investigated.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
Thoroughly??? Not by the Courts… Nothing was allowed to be presented… It never got past the Judges allowance!
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u/Squeakypeach4 Sep 09 '24
Trump filed TEN claims contesting the results. Not one single one of those was successful; not even after recounts, audits, and investigations by voting officials.
Courts are not the ones doing the investigating, dear. Not sure if you’re aware of that.
I live in Georgia, where our Secretary of State received a phone call from trump, urging him to “find 11,780 votes” so that he could overturn the election results. THAT is voter fraud.
Trump has since admitted that he lost the 2020 election. Even Fox is reporting it….
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
Dear, you have to bring the results of your investigations to Court! That’s where it stopped, at the Courts. There’s obviously so much that you do not know, because you don’t want to know! And the Dems are even trying to fix this election, wanting to change more rules to make it easier to cheat! Really, you don’t want to sign a Bill that makes it illegal for immigrants to vote??? Of course not, you just let 16+ MILLION VOTERS into this Country ILLEGALLY!
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u/Squeakypeach4 Sep 09 '24
Okay, honey. I’ll try to spell it out for you.
The courts do not investigate. Others investigate and bring their findings to the courts. The courts then determine if there’s enough evidence for a viable case. There was not so the cases were dismissed.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
Okay Honey, you can have all the evidence to bring to court, but if the Courts don’t want you to present in front of the Court, which they don’t, it stops there. Just like all the crime going on… They don’t charge or prosecute anyone, so therefore, there’s no crime!
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u/Squeakypeach4 Sep 09 '24
And how are “dems” trying to fix this election?
And you’re totes right - I don’t know because I don’t want to know 🙄
And why are you inserting random capital letters throughout your comments? Please learn some proper grammar and syntax before arguing with me.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 09 '24
How are they not? Everything they do is to make it easier to cheat. You don’t need Voter ID, you don’t need signature verification, you don’t need proof of citizenship or Photo ID, you don’t need to have sanctioned drop boxes that are monitored 24/7, you should be allowed to Ballot Harvest. In 2020, the massive amounts of mail-in ballots the were sent out… I got 4 of them. Who the heck were the other 3 people??? And aim tired of hearing about Voter suppression… It’s ridiculous! No one is stopping anyone from voting… The only people who are stopping them from voting is themselves!
And yeah, I like to emphasize certain words of importance… You don’t like that? Do that really bother you? I thought you’d like the emphasis, since liberals loved to scream, yell, curse and carry on like deranged lunatics! I know I’ve met plenty of them…
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u/TraditionalMood277 Sep 09 '24
There already are measures. This is just political theatre. Like when they claim rampant voter fraud, which is a very small percentage of a percentage and of those, they are mostly people illegally voting for Republicans. Republicans aren't for Election integrity. They're for making it easier for them to cheat at elections. But you know this and don't care because anything to "own the libs".
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u/NeonRattlerz Sep 09 '24
Why do you got to act hysterical? The only election fraud ever found is from MAGA assholes. So spare me the pearl clutching.
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u/Specific-Power-163 Sep 09 '24
Step one protect election integrity. Don't vote for the piece of shit who attempted to steal the election by hatching plans in multiple states to bring in fake electors and incited a riot. Step 2 stop following a movement that is funded by Russia.
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u/lookn2com4tu Sep 10 '24
You’re right, Step ONE: Protect Election Integrity! So don’t vote for the people who are changing all the Rules/Laws to make it easier to cheat & steal the Election, so that they can take over the Country… All under the phony guise of claiming Voter Suppression, which is BS. The only people suppressing their votes are themselves. Nobody is stopping anyone from Registering & Voting.
Your other steps are nonsense… Just Liberal talking points
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u/Feminazghul Sep 09 '24
Republicans: States' rights should control everything!
Also Republicans: Here's a list of the things we won't let states control.
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u/fountain20 Sep 09 '24
If this country really got its shit together and made it really easy for citizens to vote Republicans would never win the white house again. That's why we play this stupid game ever year. Republicans know this and this is why nothing will change. In the current political theater its blue vs red. If we want things to start moving in the right direction dems need a 60 percent hold in the house and senate. And the white house thenmaybe things will start getting better.
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Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
The Democrats have a very good chance this time around. Since The Donald had his
step-daughterdaughter-in-law, take over the GOP and empty their treasury to pay for all of his legal fees...there isn't much money to go around for all the down-ballot elections taking place. To further compound it, most MAGA Republicans have rules/laws/regulations to restrict women's reproductive rights. In the deep red states, women have been coming out in droves to vote their interest...and it hasn't been favorable for Republicans.Republicans are desperate so they're pulling pages from Trump's playbook of continuously lying (e.g. Democrats are for late-term abortions). Republicans can only win with bullshit scare tactics over issues that don't even exist.
Now, the latest shit show saga is for Trump and associates to shut down the government next month (as the FED's fiscal year starts on October). Yeah, I wouldn't say that's a great move at all...suspending government services and pissing off thousands of government employees isn't exactly a great way to get things done...a month before the election.
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u/mishma2005 Sep 09 '24
Minor correction. Not his step-daughter. The woman willing to have sex with Eric. “I don’t know what the hell her name is” daughter in law
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 Sep 09 '24
Yes, please. Shut down the government just before the election. Maybe desecrate Arlinton some more. Publicly get down on your knees and suck Putin's dick.
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u/fountain20 Sep 09 '24
Color me shocked. Less then months before the election. Same play book. Dems want you to not get you social security check. Blah blah blah.
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u/readit-somewhere Sep 09 '24
We’ve seen this movie several times before. Another half brained scheme concocted by republicans, trump then Bullies congress into shutting down the government over it. Weakling mike Johnson puts his moral code on hold and does what his orange lord and savior wants him to do. Good grief how has maga not figured this out yet.
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u/doingwhaticanfornow Sep 09 '24
If they try and pull this garbage, we should blow up the Internet with all of their names and the candidates that are running against them and vote all of these hacks out of office.
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u/TraditionalMood277 Sep 09 '24
I mean, let's do that anyway.
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u/CSalustro Sep 09 '24
I’m honestly waiting for them to start crying about the deficit. It literally happens every October.
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u/CertainDoor457 Sep 09 '24
I find it quite scary election day is and never has been a federal holiday. Voter suppression anyone?
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u/technoferal Sep 09 '24
Let 'em shut it down. It's become predictable at this point. They throw a tantrum, shut the government down in an attempt to extort support for their policies, and then find out that they *still* aren't the "silent majority" and that Americans don't approve of those policies or their bullying tactics to push them. Then they have to back down, and they just look like the petulant children they act like while still not getting what they want.
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u/Ok_Dimension2767 Sep 09 '24
As usual they do the bidding for dementia Don not what is best for Americans. I am so sick of these MAGA ass kissers in the GOP. Everyone of them needs to lose their seats. VOTE Blue across the Board. They don’t do the right thing they take us hostages. Enough. Send them packing.
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u/2020willyb2020 Sep 09 '24
Let them try to shut down the government and hold hearings- they will lose more than they ever had
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u/one_jo Sep 09 '24
Give them voter ID like we have it in Germany. Every citizen has an ID and when an election comes up you get mail telling you to vote and where. No jumping through burning hoops to become eligible.
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u/mishma2005 Sep 09 '24
Oh this will surely get Trump get elected. Brilliant plan, proceed Moscow Mike
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u/JamesSpacer Sep 09 '24
Magat mike the trumpturd cukservant was ordered by his godking diaper don to shut the government down at the end of this month. You can be rest assured that the magat mike will do as his owner commands. All trumpturds are 🗑
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u/hodlisback Sep 09 '24
Has this asshole not come out of the closet yet? I feel like the frustration is twisting him into something foul.
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Sep 09 '24
This extortion bullshit needs to stop. Vote blue up and down the ballot. Lets end the GOP and magats in one fell swoop.
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u/FourteenBuckets Sep 09 '24
Damn, the internal polling must be pretty bad for them lol
The fun part is that Americans a) HATE shutdowns, and b) generally blame Republicans for them, and rightly so.
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u/Lord_Sports Sep 09 '24
Anything to steal a election from Americans. This is how sad this House Maga are about. They should never be fit to run our government
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u/Lord_Sports Sep 09 '24
Laws need to be made about that and that would fix those Maga folks from getting seats if power.
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u/grolaw Sep 09 '24
They are leaning heavily on the fact that Joe Biden is the POTUS in light of the SCOTUS’ POTUS Immunity case.
It would be trivial to order the speaker locked in his bathroom for the rest of the week.
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u/Chelsie_girl1 Sep 09 '24
This is why I don't like the gop. They always cry when something happens and refuse to do any real work. They just want to pry into other people's life's where they don't belong. Some day know there whole party will fail.
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u/Icy-Experience-2515 Sep 09 '24
Don't give in, Democrats! Face the shutdown. Make the GOP go through each painful moment of the vote and the aftermath! Let questions be raised about why GOP MEMBERS are paid when others suffer.
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u/maynardstaint Sep 09 '24
The GOP are terrorists. They will destroy the country if they don’t get what they want.
But what they want is to destroy the country.
Vote blue up and down.
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u/Cold_Drive_53144 Sep 09 '24
Shut it down! It’s already illegal for non-citizens to vote. Good luck on down ballots
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u/zerobomb Sep 09 '24
When your goals and position are anti-human, anti-american, and batshit insane, how else would you proceed?
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u/jcooli09 Sep 09 '24
That’s a lie. They are threatening a shutdown because Trump thinks it will weaken America’s ability to defend itself from a rebelion.
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u/yestbat Sep 09 '24
Captain, this way is full of icebergs. We should turn. Republicans Captain: No. Full speed ahead. We’re unsinkable!
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u/Gromby Sep 09 '24
I can't understand how they are even allowed to fucking do this...literally basically just saying "fuck it, we are shutting everything down" but everyone else that works for the government HAS to continue working and they wont get paid during the shut down?
I don't care which side huts down the government, but the fact that they can just do this and use it as a political chess piece is ridiculous
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u/redrabbit1289 Sep 09 '24
Honest question- how is shutting down the government any different than what they’re already doing? They literally don’t do anything but stop legislation and whine and bitch and wait for orders from Trump as it is. Go ahead, stop doing the nothing you’re already doing? What kind of threat is this?
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u/Fragmentia Sep 09 '24
I've always had to show ID when voting. That's only across 3 states, though. Voting by mail is my preference.
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u/OhioUBobcats Sep 09 '24
Yeah we know Trump told them to shut it down and they’re nothing but lapdogs
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
It’s a huge county and the DMV’s are very spread out. The closest one to me is over an hour away. My point is we are a very diversified county and going to the DMV is a challenge to all of us. I’ve given rides and gotten rides. One of my neighbors found a service through one of the local churches that will provide rides to places like the DMV that are a distance away at no charge. There are plenty of resources out there to help
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
Exactly what is the problem with voter ID.? If you can’t find your birth certificate contact the town hall you were born and they’ll give you a copy. You need ID for just about anything you do in this country so I don’t see what the big deal is - unless you’re trying to something unethical and shady of course
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u/angrybox1842 Sep 09 '24
It’s a poll tax, I would be ok with if was paired with a robust effort to make IDs free and more accessible, and maybe a voter registration drive alongside it. The only reason republicans push the issue is because they know it depresses the poor vote, there is no evidence that there is widespread voter fraud being committed because of a lack of ID requirements.
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
Exactly how expensive and hard is ID to get? I live paycheck to paycheck and the only ID I have is my drivers license. It doesn’t stand out as one of my big expenses, dmv’s are everywhere and I wouldn’t be able to open a bank account, get on a plane or as of recently even be able to visit someone in the hospital and numerous other thing . I believe having ID is essential to living in this country. So I don’t really see a problem with requiring you are who you are when voting. If you really can’t come up with the money there are all kinds of social programs in this country to help with it.
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u/ScatMoerens Sep 09 '24
Not everyone experiences life the same way you do. You may not believe that it can be hard for someone to get an ID because you personally have not had issues with either accessibility or cost, but that is not the case for everyone. People should not be prohibited from voting because of the cost, time, or hassle when they have registered already.
The issue with voter ID is a problem addressing a non-existent problem.
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
I think it’s probably harder to get a cell phone than ID and since most cell phone companies require automatic payments now you would need a bank account. I haven’t seen many people young old poor or rich without a cell phone. They’re a lot more expensive than getting some ID. If you can’t prove who you are why even bother to make anyone register
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u/ScatMoerens Sep 09 '24
So I would point out that in both comments, you say "I think", "I believe" a lot. You cannot prove this, that is the entire issue.
You believe there aren't any issues for people to get an ID to vote, this is to address election fraud and integrity that you believe needs to be addressed. However when presented with evidence of your own bias, you ignore it. When voting fraud cannot be backed with evidence, you continue to say it is a concern.
Facts do not care about your feelings. You can feel that, but you cannot back it up with anything other than your feelings.
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
I work in a law firm and I’ve learned to use those terms because I’ve also learned people sue for nothing You say it’s not a problem but I’m hearing on the news 6000 non legal in this state 5500 in that state. It adds up and in a very close election it could make a difference. The lawyers I work for also do a lot of pro bono work and I don’t remember anyone - citizen or non-citizen , addict, etc.not having ID (in fact some have more than one)which is required in a law office , court and even if a legal document of any kind needs notorized. DMV, social security, getting a job requires ID. Some places of business only accept Debit or Credit Cards - no cash. So I KNOW (not think or believe) obtaining ID is not a problem. That argument is a little lame and nefarious
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u/ScatMoerens Sep 09 '24
So you went from living pay check to pay check, to working in a law office that does pro bono work? You claim to hear about "6000 non legal in this state 5500 in that state.", but cannot substantiate those claims.
My favorite part of this is if you work in law offices, with actual lawyers, and know the law, you would know how easy of a case for election integrity would be if you could actually back up anything you claim.
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
Dude I work as a receptionist not a lawyer. They get billable hours, I get $20.23 an hour. I watch the local news most evenings (ABC) and they reported Virginia found 6303 non citizens registered to vote. Then a couple of other states TX, NC maybe (didn’t pay that much attention) found thousands also on a different day. Maybe it’s “fake news”. Solve the problem by requiring ID when you vote because it is NOT hard or expensive in this country
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u/ScatMoerens Sep 09 '24
There are claims of fraudulent voting, however it is never proven. It doesn't matter how many court cases they lose, how many times they audit election results and get the same numbers, it will never prove to election deniers that they were wrong about our election integrity.
"Solve the problem by requiring ID when you vote because it is NOT hard or expensive in this country " again, it isn't hard for you. But not everyone lives the same experience you do.
"Maybe it's "fake news"". Until there is any actual evidence, treat it as such. You cannot prove there isn't any election fraud, it needs to be found first because any cries for election integrity will be taken seriously.
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u/IamMindful Sep 09 '24
$45 to get a copy of your birth certificate! “They’ll give you a copy” doesn’t exist anywhere. Maybe it did long ago but any type of id costs money. Marriage license, drivers’ license. If you need to show multiple forms, you’re talking more money.No one gives you a copy for free. Tell us you have no idea how it could create a financial hardship.Voting in other countries is free, mandatory and done online. But not here because of politics and the money. It attracts some of the worst human beings.The Stop the Steal is absolute bullshit. Anyone who believes that stuff STILL just wants to believe it’s true because they can’t face the lies they believed.
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
How much is your cell phone, streaming services or door dash - probably more than $45 - my town only charges $10. How do you get a job, buy or rent a place to live, get a bank account and credit and debit card. How do you get a driver’s license or register you or your children for school. Any person who does not have ID to be able to do or obtain any of these things and much more needs Social Services way more than voting
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u/Diarygirl Sep 09 '24
It's a solution in search of a problem. The only people still pushing for it are delusional Trump supporters.
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u/hematite2 Sep 09 '24
The problem isn't with showing ID, the problem is that republicans push ID laws as a way to disenfranchise certain voting groups. To get an ID you have to pay for one, either with money or with time. But even beyond those costs, these laws are specifically designed to reduce voter turnout from groups the GOP doesn't like.
Take, for example, in Alabama, where a bill was passed requiring voter ID, such as a driver's license. After passing, Alabama then announced it was closing 31 out of the 75 Drivers License Offices in the state. That's 40%! And guess what? Those 31 were almost entirely in majority black counties! So suddenly, it became much easier for the white residents of the state to vote than the black residents.
Despite Alabama's insistence that this was all solely about voting concerns, this was literally ruled as a Civil Rights Act violation and overturned. That's why people have a problem when the GOP starts yelling about Voter ID.
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u/Competitive-Buyer526 Sep 09 '24
Ok - we have 3 DMV’s in my county. You know to pack your patience when you go. The last time I went there were probably about a hundred of us there and it wasn’t a majority of any particular race or gender. Most kids of all ages are hell bent on getting their driver’s licenses or at least permits when they turn 16 again no majority of race or gender. As for money in NY a driver’s license is somewhere between $65 and $110. I get it can be tough for some people but ID is important for virtually everything in this country. Sacrifice somewhere for something so vitally important - not just for voting. I had to show my ID to visit my Dad after gall bladder surgery at our local hospital - I couldn’t register for classes at the local college without it.Or ask for help - there’s plenty out there. I truly don’t see how anybody can live in this country without it
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u/hematite2 Sep 09 '24
Why does the number of DMVs in your county matter? The problem is deliberately limiting access for minorites (and other groups that tend to vote liberal). Again, literal civil rights violation.
And some people just don't have an ID, or their ID expired and they haven't been able to renew it. Doesn't really matter if its a small percentage, they still exist and shouldn't have their right to vote locked by behind a barrier of time and money. $110 is a fnancial burden to many. Even if an ID is free, taking the time off work to wait at a DMV is also a cost some people can't afford. And all this disenfranchisment is supposedly to "fix" a problem that doesn't actually affect anything.
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u/TriggerNutzofDOOM Sep 08 '24
Throwing a political tantrum.
This party needs to die and new options spring up in its place.